Post by The Librarian on Oct 28, 2013 16:43:43 GMT -7
I trimmed the pointless stuff out as much as possible, but it was a decent discussion for a while.
[Druj] I used to be strictly magicks.
Thought about going back to that.
Zerstoren is melee-magick.
[Kuraudo] Try it out, man. n_n
[Zerstoren] Hella glad to be getting back into medium-close range.
[Fenris] a lot of metaphysicians underestimate melee
and pay for it
If nothing else concepts you use in the melee can be applied to metaphysics.
[Druj] To a certain extent.
[Fenris] concepts like "economy of motion"
[Druj] Summonings. Does tK consider that magicks or Freestyle?
[Fenris] basically were are not umm stiff with rules
if you wanna fight someone you set the terms like "melee, or anything goes, or w/e."
but in a storyline fight in a freeform setting its whatever you can do.
Fen is a close combat specialist with formidable mid range capability
[Druj] Okay. Just wondering, because I some rules vary by site.
[Fenris] Our rules are very "informal"
[Druj] Informal?
[Zerstoren] Just use common sense, I guess.
Energy is energy, physics of motion applies, etc.
[Fenris] Also for an example of what I said earlier about metaspecialists underestimating melee. There’s a guy I know who goes by MagusKing who is OBSESSED with metaphysics. He doesn’t even try to be good at melee cause he considers melee useless. As a metaphysician he's pretty good compared to most people, but because he neglects his melee despite his specialization I can apply other concepts I know into my meta to bridge the gap he should have as a specialist.
[Druj] Makes sense.
I can do it all. ;D
In theory anyway. aha.
Zerstoren uses scientific principles/guidelines.
If somebody is using magick at me, I'm going to see it as energy.
It's simple stuff. If there's an energy attack, another energy attack can cancel it out and generate a scatter.
Two equal but opposite forces will cancel each other out.
Simple.
[Fenris] depends on the energy interaction mark.
[Zerstoren] How so?
[Fenris] if you send pressurized oxygen at fire its not going to cancel it.
technically pressurized oxygen would be an expression of energy
[Zerstoren] Pressurized oxygen could easily overwhelm a flame. o.o
[Fenris] The oxygen would feed the flame. O.O
[Zerstoren] We don't blow on candles and they get bigger, man.
[Kuraudo] Nether is energy but yet it isn't?
How does that work?
[Zerstoren] Nether isn't energy at all.
Nether is a Template Force.
[Kuraudo] Meaning?
[Fenris] Nether involves energy but it is NOT energy Nether is basically a corruption of the ambient.
[Zerstoren] The "energy" you saw when you encountered Nether is simply a byproduct of infected energy.
[Chaz] Forces tend to be the interactions of energy, not the energy itself.
[Kuraudo] But isn't everything created from energy?
[Fenris] Kinda Kuraudo you have to consider "Potential" energy too.
[Chaz] All matter is energy bonded together to make a substance.
[Zerstoren] There's stuff beyond "energy" such as organizing fields and forces.
[Fenris] Well yeah Forces are not necessarily energy merely byproducts of energy being used.
well I mean gravity isn't energy
[Chaz] When you get into anti-energy you can look to things like Aristotle's shadow-body theories.
[Fenris] Anti-Matter is usually ridiculous when used
[Zerstoren] Anyways, Nether is -slow- and hurts for however long I have it out.
[Fenris] whenever i see "anti-anything" I get : /
[Zerstoren] Well, anti-matter is merely super-charged positive matter.
When it and normal negative matter meet, they scatter their energy.
[Fenris] I'm not sure if chaz is talking about actual anti-matter or something weird like "anti-holy" or some such.
[Chaz] Anything like nether, meta-fields and forces.
It's going to be the same kind of discussion.
[Zerstoren] Neutrinos, muons, and bigger particles are thrown errwhere.
[Chaz] I was talking about the generalized principle of 'anti'-thesis of energy 'templates'
The opposite of Energy.
[Zerstoren] Dunno, people usually employ "anti-
"Anti-" as a "because I can" reason for godmodding through my experience.
[Fenris] The opposite of energy is a lack of energy.
basically cold or emptyness.
[Chaz] Potential energy is simply in-active energy, there fore you are discussing realms of logic we have not yet explored and are worth discussing, without getting panties in a wad.
[Fenris] yeah I agree on that last point Mark.
[Zerstoren] Like Czar's little Necroplasm going "oh, it consumes alll!"
[Chaz] Yes, and emptiness applies to what Aristotle has discussed.
[Zerstoren] Or the SS's Brevemental Energy that did the whole "it consumes all! It has no equal!"
[Chaz] I'm holding to scientific and philosophical thoughts only
[Fenris] what it comes down to Chaz say if you are using "void" or something like that. Is if you are using something that is the opposite energy IE "Nothing" how can you impose any meaningful actions upon your surroundings?
[Zerstoren] When I use Nether, it's slow as all hell and hurts me for however long it's out.
[Fenris] when people just bust out with "amg the void" the first thing I think of is "lol you don’t exist."
[Chaz] a Void is an empty space.
[Sitirin] A black hole.
[Chaz] It's creating a pressure vacuum
Which would blow your innards apart, like a micro-burst
[Zerstoren] Also people using "Void" to also say "it consumes all, none of your attacks work but all mine do!"
[Fenris] never mind all the other complications that come with opening up a space to nothing.
[Kuraudo] How does Nether hurt you, Zerstoren?
[Zerstoren] Nether is eating away at my consciousness.
[Kuraudo] The woe seems pretty light. >.>
[Druj] Black holes are wormholes, are they not?
[Zerstoren] I'm introducing it to its opposite template and the "dimensional byproduct" is the outward damage while my consciousness is being slowly eaten away the longer I have it out.
[Chaz] We don't know what is in a black hole, so idk
[Zerstoren] We know that black holes are Black Bodies, tho.
An array of mass frequencies of electromagnetic radiation.
[Druj] In theory, it would send you somewhere, if a wormhole.
[Chaz] We know black holes compress and 'consume' energy and matter to the point it only spews out gamma rays, so I look at them as recycling machines.
[Vadoma] Theoretically.
[Kuraudo] Isn't a wormhole one, big shortcut through space?
[Druj] Theoretically.
Zerstoren is a walking black hole in a sense of having an array of different frequencies.
[Chaz] Now, as to voidal arts... If you make a Portal to a Vacuum or an Oblivion style place, IE Annihilation, that's what it's supposed to do. You can survive these things if you know what to do as a higher tier player, though people who try to rail-road you are typical assholes.
[Zerstoren] It's good defensively, but yeah, Nether is good but I can't keep it out for long and it can only go so far.
[Chaz] I recall Lupo getting offed by a voidmancer who simply made a spatial circuit to send her bullet back to her, as a short cut. This is void-arts but more so psychoportation (as it's called), the arts of teleportation
[Fenris] When your using void the chance of munching/godmodding increases several fold
[Chaz] Just like someone can make an empty space, pressure retained from the outside to cause typical physical effects. When you get into the Meta end of things, it's based on what the spell is supposed to do. If it Implodes you, then if it is described to work to it's purpose - a compression of space using something like gravity, to pop you like a zit.
[Fenris] you can open a portal to nothing but in the end that’s all you should be able too do.
[Chaz] If you open a portal to a vacuum, a vacuum will try to re-stabilize pressure.
[Fenris] and such things have extreme consequences and in the end if you're going to sit there and go "I am the void" I’m going to laugh cause that means technically you don’t exist.
[Chaz] Wanna kill the god-modder? Tug at the portal's rift, make it rip, and it should -rip open more- and suck in a lot more, including potentially the caster.
Things exist without consciousness.
[Fenris] dollars to doughnuts the caster will either be immune to their own void or will munchkin some other way
[Zerstoren] Well, the portal is just energy...
Energy is still energy.
[Fenris] but its the void mark!
Its NOTHING!
Because I have -never- seen void used in a fair and balanced and rational way Jai.
including when I MYSELF used it when i first started
[Chaz] That's the whole point of a Nether / Oblivion / Abyssal / Negation anything
[Kuraudo] So can Nether absorb a blackhole?
[Siege{Chaos}] I used the void to counter attacks, but it also nullified any similar attacks I might make.
[Zerstoren] Nether will definitely absorb the black hole.
Not absorb, really, but infect.
[Fenris] Beckett uses the void but I think its based on nightmares
rather than just emptyness.
[Zerstoren] Nether/Nethuama is easy to avoid but impossible to get rid of once your consciousness is infected, unless you're 10D.
[Chaz] RP is about creative writing, having fun, being logical but also being open to ideas.
[Fenris] also fen is not an alchemist his transmutations only extend to his ability to affect himself and indirectly use himself to affect his surroundings so yeah.
[Druj] I used to be strictly magicks.
Thought about going back to that.
Zerstoren is melee-magick.
[Kuraudo] Try it out, man. n_n
[Zerstoren] Hella glad to be getting back into medium-close range.
[Fenris] a lot of metaphysicians underestimate melee
and pay for it
If nothing else concepts you use in the melee can be applied to metaphysics.
[Druj] To a certain extent.
[Fenris] concepts like "economy of motion"
[Druj] Summonings. Does tK consider that magicks or Freestyle?
[Fenris] basically were are not umm stiff with rules
if you wanna fight someone you set the terms like "melee, or anything goes, or w/e."
but in a storyline fight in a freeform setting its whatever you can do.
Fen is a close combat specialist with formidable mid range capability
[Druj] Okay. Just wondering, because I some rules vary by site.
[Fenris] Our rules are very "informal"
[Druj] Informal?
[Zerstoren] Just use common sense, I guess.
Energy is energy, physics of motion applies, etc.
[Fenris] Also for an example of what I said earlier about metaspecialists underestimating melee. There’s a guy I know who goes by MagusKing who is OBSESSED with metaphysics. He doesn’t even try to be good at melee cause he considers melee useless. As a metaphysician he's pretty good compared to most people, but because he neglects his melee despite his specialization I can apply other concepts I know into my meta to bridge the gap he should have as a specialist.
[Druj] Makes sense.
I can do it all. ;D
In theory anyway. aha.
Zerstoren uses scientific principles/guidelines.
If somebody is using magick at me, I'm going to see it as energy.
It's simple stuff. If there's an energy attack, another energy attack can cancel it out and generate a scatter.
Two equal but opposite forces will cancel each other out.
Simple.
[Fenris] depends on the energy interaction mark.
[Zerstoren] How so?
[Fenris] if you send pressurized oxygen at fire its not going to cancel it.
technically pressurized oxygen would be an expression of energy
[Zerstoren] Pressurized oxygen could easily overwhelm a flame. o.o
[Fenris] The oxygen would feed the flame. O.O
[Zerstoren] We don't blow on candles and they get bigger, man.
[Kuraudo] Nether is energy but yet it isn't?
How does that work?
[Zerstoren] Nether isn't energy at all.
Nether is a Template Force.
[Kuraudo] Meaning?
[Fenris] Nether involves energy but it is NOT energy Nether is basically a corruption of the ambient.
[Zerstoren] The "energy" you saw when you encountered Nether is simply a byproduct of infected energy.
[Chaz] Forces tend to be the interactions of energy, not the energy itself.
[Kuraudo] But isn't everything created from energy?
[Fenris] Kinda Kuraudo you have to consider "Potential" energy too.
[Chaz] All matter is energy bonded together to make a substance.
[Zerstoren] There's stuff beyond "energy" such as organizing fields and forces.
[Fenris] Well yeah Forces are not necessarily energy merely byproducts of energy being used.
well I mean gravity isn't energy
[Chaz] When you get into anti-energy you can look to things like Aristotle's shadow-body theories.
[Fenris] Anti-Matter is usually ridiculous when used
[Zerstoren] Anyways, Nether is -slow- and hurts for however long I have it out.
[Fenris] whenever i see "anti-anything" I get : /
[Zerstoren] Well, anti-matter is merely super-charged positive matter.
When it and normal negative matter meet, they scatter their energy.
[Fenris] I'm not sure if chaz is talking about actual anti-matter or something weird like "anti-holy" or some such.
[Chaz] Anything like nether, meta-fields and forces.
It's going to be the same kind of discussion.
[Zerstoren] Neutrinos, muons, and bigger particles are thrown errwhere.
[Chaz] I was talking about the generalized principle of 'anti'-thesis of energy 'templates'
The opposite of Energy.
[Zerstoren] Dunno, people usually employ "anti-
"Anti-" as a "because I can" reason for godmodding through my experience.
[Fenris] The opposite of energy is a lack of energy.
basically cold or emptyness.
[Chaz] Potential energy is simply in-active energy, there fore you are discussing realms of logic we have not yet explored and are worth discussing, without getting panties in a wad.
[Fenris] yeah I agree on that last point Mark.
[Zerstoren] Like Czar's little Necroplasm going "oh, it consumes alll!"
[Chaz] Yes, and emptiness applies to what Aristotle has discussed.
[Zerstoren] Or the SS's Brevemental Energy that did the whole "it consumes all! It has no equal!"
[Chaz] I'm holding to scientific and philosophical thoughts only
[Fenris] what it comes down to Chaz say if you are using "void" or something like that. Is if you are using something that is the opposite energy IE "Nothing" how can you impose any meaningful actions upon your surroundings?
[Zerstoren] When I use Nether, it's slow as all hell and hurts me for however long it's out.
[Fenris] when people just bust out with "amg the void" the first thing I think of is "lol you don’t exist."
[Chaz] a Void is an empty space.
[Sitirin] A black hole.
[Chaz] It's creating a pressure vacuum
Which would blow your innards apart, like a micro-burst
[Zerstoren] Also people using "Void" to also say "it consumes all, none of your attacks work but all mine do!"
[Fenris] never mind all the other complications that come with opening up a space to nothing.
[Kuraudo] How does Nether hurt you, Zerstoren?
[Zerstoren] Nether is eating away at my consciousness.
[Kuraudo] The woe seems pretty light. >.>
[Druj] Black holes are wormholes, are they not?
[Zerstoren] I'm introducing it to its opposite template and the "dimensional byproduct" is the outward damage while my consciousness is being slowly eaten away the longer I have it out.
[Chaz] We don't know what is in a black hole, so idk
[Zerstoren] We know that black holes are Black Bodies, tho.
An array of mass frequencies of electromagnetic radiation.
[Druj] In theory, it would send you somewhere, if a wormhole.
[Chaz] We know black holes compress and 'consume' energy and matter to the point it only spews out gamma rays, so I look at them as recycling machines.
[Vadoma] Theoretically.
[Kuraudo] Isn't a wormhole one, big shortcut through space?
[Druj] Theoretically.
Zerstoren is a walking black hole in a sense of having an array of different frequencies.
[Chaz] Now, as to voidal arts... If you make a Portal to a Vacuum or an Oblivion style place, IE Annihilation, that's what it's supposed to do. You can survive these things if you know what to do as a higher tier player, though people who try to rail-road you are typical assholes.
[Zerstoren] It's good defensively, but yeah, Nether is good but I can't keep it out for long and it can only go so far.
[Chaz] I recall Lupo getting offed by a voidmancer who simply made a spatial circuit to send her bullet back to her, as a short cut. This is void-arts but more so psychoportation (as it's called), the arts of teleportation
[Fenris] When your using void the chance of munching/godmodding increases several fold
[Chaz] Just like someone can make an empty space, pressure retained from the outside to cause typical physical effects. When you get into the Meta end of things, it's based on what the spell is supposed to do. If it Implodes you, then if it is described to work to it's purpose - a compression of space using something like gravity, to pop you like a zit.
[Fenris] you can open a portal to nothing but in the end that’s all you should be able too do.
[Chaz] If you open a portal to a vacuum, a vacuum will try to re-stabilize pressure.
[Fenris] and such things have extreme consequences and in the end if you're going to sit there and go "I am the void" I’m going to laugh cause that means technically you don’t exist.
[Chaz] Wanna kill the god-modder? Tug at the portal's rift, make it rip, and it should -rip open more- and suck in a lot more, including potentially the caster.
Things exist without consciousness.
[Fenris] dollars to doughnuts the caster will either be immune to their own void or will munchkin some other way
[Zerstoren] Well, the portal is just energy...
Energy is still energy.
[Fenris] but its the void mark!
Its NOTHING!
Because I have -never- seen void used in a fair and balanced and rational way Jai.
including when I MYSELF used it when i first started
[Chaz] That's the whole point of a Nether / Oblivion / Abyssal / Negation anything
[Kuraudo] So can Nether absorb a blackhole?
[Siege{Chaos}] I used the void to counter attacks, but it also nullified any similar attacks I might make.
[Zerstoren] Nether will definitely absorb the black hole.
Not absorb, really, but infect.
[Fenris] Beckett uses the void but I think its based on nightmares
rather than just emptyness.
[Zerstoren] Nether/Nethuama is easy to avoid but impossible to get rid of once your consciousness is infected, unless you're 10D.
[Chaz] RP is about creative writing, having fun, being logical but also being open to ideas.
[Fenris] also fen is not an alchemist his transmutations only extend to his ability to affect himself and indirectly use himself to affect his surroundings so yeah.
